IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

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Latest post 09-29-2009 12:23 AM by Taxagent. 9 replies.
  • 09-21-2009 8:38 PM

    IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    I am probably extremely confused so please bear with me.

    Situation: A couple lives in state "A" and owns a home in state "A" and one spouse works in state "A", while the other spouse works for a consulting firm located in state "A" but is assigned to work long term for a client in state"B."   The spouse who works as a consultant flies out every Sunday eve to the consulting site in state "B", and arrives back home in state "A" every Thursday night for a long weekend. 

    We were told that after a year, the IRS will consider the husband's "Tax Home" to be state "B" and will tax all his travel reimbursements as income.   The company he works for will pay him an additional amount which is supposed to compensate him for the additional taxes that will be due.

    How does that work for a couple that is married filing jointly?  Can the 2 of them have "Tax Homes" in different states and still file jointly?  Does it matter that they own a home together in state "A" which is their permanent legal residence, where they live and vote, pay property taxes, etc.?

    What exactly is an IRS "Tax Home" anyway?

    I got a long explanation from a company accountant today and I am more confused than ever.

    Thanks for any insights.

  • 09-21-2009 11:12 PM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    Laymans take--I'm sure that taxagent will get it a whole lot clearer--but as I understand issue if you are temporarily assigned to an away location your costs to go there are deductible or not income if reimbursed on accountable plan etc---EG one has a home office in San Francisco but each week flies to Dallas and stays there for most of the week --now if you stay in Dallas for over a year and never come into home office the IRC says your work site is now Dallas --and if you get paid to go to Dallas  thats taxable income not expense reimbursement.

    Now the folks I know with long term consulting assignments make it a point to be in home office from time to time and to vary routines and to be on other sites for some time even if highly cosmetic -so that they are not in one outside office for a full year...-but as to mechanics that work vs ones that don't--wait until taxagent posts.

     

  • 09-22-2009 9:08 AM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    LegalSecy:
    What exactly is a "Tax Home" anyway?

    I'll start here, since understanding that is important to an understanding of your other questions. Your "tax home" is, generally speaking, "your regular place of business or post of duty, regardless of where you maintain your family home. It includes the entire city or general area in which your business or work is located." That definition comes from IRS publication 463.

    The idea of the tax home is this: travel to and from your residence to your regular place of business (tax home) is a non-deductible commuting expense, no matter how far away your residence is from your regular office. So, for example, I have a main office from which I conduct my law practice. That law office is my tax home because it is my regular place of business. Thus, my travel from my residence to my office is a commuting expense and not deductible. If I were reimbursed travel between my home and my office, that would be taxable income.

    When you have a temporary work assignment that takes you away from your regular (i.e. permanent) business/work location, expenses for travel to and from the tax home to that temporary work location are generally deductible (or reimbursements by the employer may be excluded from income on an accountable plan). That's true whether the temporary assignment is for one day or extends over a period of months. Thus, if I had to go to another city for a week to try a case in court, my travel expenses from the tax home to the city where the trial was held and back would be deductible (or any reimbursement from any employer with an accountable plan would be excluded from income.)

    Whether an assignment is temporary or a permanent reassignment (thus resulting in a new tax home) depends on all the facts and circumstances. However, the tax law does have a rule in which the assignment is considered permanent if it either is (1) reasonably expected to last more than one year, even if it actually ends earlier than that, or (2) if the assignment does in fact last longer than one year, whether or not it was anticipated it would last that long when it started.

    LegalSecy:
    How does that work for a couple that is married filing jointly? Can the 2 of them have "Tax Homes" in different states and still file jointly?

    As stated above, the "tax home" is merely your main place of business; despite the use of the word "home" it is not really related to your residence (except that your residence is a factor used to help determine your tax home in some cases). Thus, if one spouse has a main place of business in state A and the other spouse has a main place of business in state B, they each have different tax home even if they share the same personal residence location. Again, this concept is merely for determining what is a deductible travel expense vs. a non-deductible commuting expense. It will not affect your ability to file a joint return in any way.

    LegalSecy:
    Does it matter that they own a home together in state "A" which is their permanent legal residence, where they live and vote, pay property taxes, etc.?

    That can be one factor looked at to determine the tax home in difficult cases. In most cases, however, it really won't matter where the personal residence is.

  • 09-22-2009 9:33 AM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    Now if one was assigned by clear letter for 6 mos not to exceed 6 mos to site A then to site B for  a week then to site C for 2 weeks then to site A for 5 months and lets even say that somebody else was assigned to Site A for said missing weeks I suspect one could intentionally muddy the water --for a while---but if done too long I'm sure IRS could make the point that A was the only true tax home site and you'd lose.  Even lawyers lose--or at least a retired judge lost the tax home arguement as his new retirement assignment to a further away courtroom became his new tax home--his old tax home ceased to exist!     Its not clear from your post as to where consulting headquarters is and where job site is

     

  • 09-22-2009 4:23 PM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    Drew:
    Now if one was assigned by clear letter for 6 mos not to exceed 6 mos to site A then to site B for a week then to site C for 2 weeks then to site A for 5 months and lets even say that somebody else was assigned to Site A for said missing weeks I suspect one could intentionally muddy the water --for a while---but if done too long I'm sure IRS could make the point that A was the only true tax home site and you'd lose.

    In general, your tax home is your main place of business, which is normally where you spend the majority of your time working. If you spend the vast majority of your time at site A during the entire year with only a few weeks total at site B and site C, your tax home will almost certainly be site A. Claiming otherwise doesn't really pass the smell test. In other words, trying to break the 1 year rule by inserting a week or two at some other location isn't going to work.

  • 09-23-2009 10:18 PM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    Thanks. So this is the part that I think is most relevant to this situation:

    IRS:

    If your assignment is indefinite, you must include in your income any amounts you receive from your employer for living expenses, even if they are called travel allowances and you account to your employer for them. You may be able to deduct the cost of relocating to your new tax home as a moving expense.

    In this case the husband's employer reimburses him (or pays directly) for weekly airline tickets, hotel at the site where he's doing the consulting, parking, meals, rental car, other costs like cleaning if he happens to drip ketchup on his tie or step in something stinky, Internet charges, phone charges, etc., etc.  Honestly, its not unusual for the reimbursements he receives during any given pay period to amount to more than his salary for that same period. 

    So right... what they said is that he is going to have to report all those reimbursements as taxable income.  So his employer is going to give him a lump sum in December that is supposed to cover the additional taxes we will have to pay on all that supposed "taxable income" which is really travel reimbursements. (His employer bills this back to the client.)

    So ... how does his employer (and the client) know how much taxes we will have to pay on that "extra income" that he's getting taxed on?  They don't know how much I make, or how much interest deduction we get from our mortgage, or how much we give to charity, or how much interest we are paying on our student loans, etc., etc.  I'm not sure I really want to turn over our tax returns to my husband's employer so they can figure this out either. That's really pretty personal information.   And we won't have them done in December anyway because we won't have our W-2's, 1099's etc., yet.

    I am worried that somehow we are going to end up with a giant tax bill that we can't afford.  I don't understand why the IRS says that my husband is supposed to move to another state 1000 miles away when we are not separated or divorced, that's just where his employer assigned him to work 4 days/week.  But I still work F/T where we live, so I couldn't move to the state where he is working if he had to move.

    Is this a new law, or has it been like this for a long time, and what is the reasoning on this?  I'm really having trouble wrapping my mind around it.

  • 09-24-2009 4:18 AM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    First, note that whether a job is temporary (and thus the expenses deductible or the reimbursement excludeable) or whether it is indefinite (and thus not deductible and any reimbursement included in your income) depends on all the facts and circumstances. However, in general if you know the job won't last more than a year when the assignment starts, it is temporary. This is true even though you are not sure whether it will last, say, 6 months or 8 months. See the discussion in Publication 463 for a little more on this, though even that discussion is not terribly complete.

    LegalSecy:
    So ... how does his employer (and the client) know how much taxes we will have to pay on that "extra income" that he's getting taxed on?

    In general, employer's who do this don't know for sure what the exact amount of additional tax is that you pay on the reimbursement. Instead, they estimate based on what they do know—what they are paying the employee and what is on the employee's W-4. Some employers will ask for return information to get it exactly right, but in my experience those are the minority of firms.

    Note, too, that what they pay your husband to cover the tax from the reimbursement is itself also taxable income. There is a formula that sophisticated employers use to figure out how much must be paid to cover all the tax on the reimbursement and all the tax on the reimbursements, too. It is not a simple computation to do by hand, but with a computer or programmable calculator it is easy to do. The employer will, of course, have to do the proper withholding for tax on all this as well, so there should be extra withholding there to help pay the tax on all this.

    LegalSecy:
    I am worried that somehow we are going to end up with a giant tax bill that we can't afford.

    You have a pretty good idea of what the reimbursements have been running, right? So, use a tax program and figure your projected tax for the end of the year without the reimbursements included and then simply change the salary figure you put into the program to add in the reimbursements your husband gets. That difference will be the tax effect of the reimbursements, and will give you an idea of whether you might be short or not on withholding for this. That won't be entirely accurate, since his employer is going to give him even more money to pay the tax, and that too is taxable income. But again, there should be withholding on that, too. If his withholding  from the salary and travel reimbursements is enough to cover the tax on those, then the withholding on the amount the employer pays to reimburse your husband for the extra tax that this causes the withholding on that should cover it.  In short, I am suggesting a way for you to estimate if you need more withholding so you can get that started now. If this all sounds too complex, see a CPA or other tax professional for assistance in figuring out where you stand so that you won't be woefully short come next April.

    LegalSecy:
    I don't understand why the IRS says that my husband is supposed to move to another state 1000 miles away when we are not separated or divorced, that's just where his employer assigned him to work 4 days/week. But I still work F/T where we live, so I couldn't move to the state where he is working if he had to move.

    Of course, the IRS doesn't say anything about where your husband is supposed to move for his work, or where you should work. Your husband's employer determined he should work in a location 1000 miles away, and your employer has you working where you presently live. That arrangement was your choice; the tax law simply tells you what the tax consequence of that choice is. The IRS didn't make this up on its own; it is applying the rules in the tax code, the treasury regulations, and the related case law. 

    LegalSecy:
    Is this a new law, or has it been like this for a long time, and what is the reasoning on this?

    This is not new; the basic rules have been essentially the same for decades. The IRS used to use a 2 year rule for determining whether an assignment was temporary under a Revenue Ruling it issued back in 1983. The Congress changed that to the one year rule in 1992 when it amended IRC § 162. The IRS then issued Rev. Rul. 93-86 in the following year to summarize the current state of the law. The discussion in that ruling is still basicallly what applies today.

    The reasoning for it is pretty basic. Personal living expenses are not, for the most part, deductible. That's why what you pay for your home (other than mortgage interest), food, clothing, etc., are not deductible. Nor are commuting expenses deductible because they are also personal living expenses; doesn't matter how long hte commute is. The rule for the tax home is meant to put everyone on an equal footing here by treating the area where you work as your "home" for detemining what is deductible.

    And example is perhaps the best way to see it. Let's suppose that Amy has a job with Corporation X in Denver and lives in Denver. She lives in an apartment in Denver and drives 15 miles each way to her office. Her daily commute to her office is not deductible, nor is her rent for her apartment nor the food she buys. Amy has a boyfriend in Utah and often goes out there on weekends to visit him. Her travel costs to and from Utah are also not deductible.

    Brenda lives in Salt Lake City and is assigned for a one year period to work in Corporation X's office in Denver. It's not clear where she will be assigned when that year is over. She goes to Denver and gets an apartment there, also about 15 miles from the Corporation X office, to live in while she is there for a year. However, she keeps her house in Salt Lake City so she can go back there to visit her boyfriend every weekend. He has a job there and doesn't want to move to Denver to be with Brenda.

    Should Brenda get tax deductions for her travel to and from Utah to see her boyfriend, get deductions for her rent and food, and other costs in Denver, just because she decided to keep the home in Utah and not move everything out to Denver? If Brenda got those deductions, that's unfair to Amy, who is in basically the same situation as Brenda for that year, but who cannot deduct any of those things. The law gives deductions for temporary assignments away from the permanent tax home because for short assignments it doesn't make sense to move your home, and the employee incurs additional costs that would not have been incurred if the work were still at the tax home. But there needs to be some rule that cuts off what is temporary and what is permanent. Congress decided in 1992 that the rule would be 1 year. That period was thought long enough that employees would ordinarily move to the area of the job rather than traveling between the two.

  • 09-28-2009 8:47 AM In reply to

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    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    I am going to throw something out here that has not been addressed.

    While there is no reason why you cannot file a joint federal return, it may be more practical to file a separate state return. (you for state A and your husband for state B).  See a tax professional at tax time, to determine that.

  • 09-28-2009 4:37 PM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    1. The odds are two separate returns will generate a higher tax liability, but yes, it makes sense to crunch it both ways.

     

    2. If you pay withholding and estimatd taxes at least equal to 100% of last years taxes you are probably in a "safe harbor" even if your final due sum comes out much higher--if you under withhold/estimate below that level you could be looking at very hefty pnality and interest calculations--so do NOT snooze and make some estimates.

     

    2.1 My prior  firm would sometime DOUBLE gross up executives assigned to strange places for the tax effect. .

     

    3. I'm sure taxagent is right---and overly  simple games as to breaking up the one year + assignment are quickly transparent but if one is going to spend a life at itinerant assignments it may make sense to rotate assignments such that one steers clear of assignment in any one place being intended as 1 + year or winding up that way--and say if client has 2 major offices--1 in Dallas and 1 in Atlanta  and your physical home is  Oakland CA--you might arrange 4 mos in Dallas, 3 in Atlanta, 5 in Dallas , 1 in Oakland---keep it changing with some mechanical care. Don't come close to  edge of line and don't become TX or GA residents unless you think it very carefully thru.   NOTE this can save company money as well--its win win to use care!   That said it may be possible not to have CA as hubby's  residense for  CA tax purposes--husband can live apart from wife as prime residence --but thats an added level of complexity--run it thru good tax counsel

     

  • 09-29-2009 12:23 AM In reply to

    Re: IRS "Tax Home" - Married Filing Jointly?

    Drew:
    1. The odds are two separate returns will generate a higher tax liability, but yes, it makes sense to crunch it both ways.

    Ldij referred to filing STATE taxes separately, which may help depending on the tax laws of the states involved, even if filing jointly for federal tax purposes is the better way to go. However, some states employ a rule that says if you file jointly for the feds, you must file joint state returns, too.

    Drew:
    but if one is going to spend a life at itinerant assignments it may make sense to rotate assignments such that one steers clear of assignment in any one place being intended as 1 + year or winding up that way

    The problem there is that if the nature of your work is such that it is a series of intinerant assignments then you have no permanent tax home and thus your tax home is always the job site, no matter how long the assignment lasts.

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