Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

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Latest post 11-07-2009 1:48 AM by Taxagent. 5 replies.
  • 11-06-2009 12:03 AM

    Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    We donated an old vehicle to one of the charities that accepts donations of used vehicles (right before the Cash For Clunkers program was announced ... oh well).  It was a 1995 Chevy Lumina minivan, still runs, never in an accident or flood or anything else that would reduce its value.

    Today we received the receipt/Thank You letter from the charity.  I was surprised (and a little concerned) at what it says.

    "This donation is tax deductible.  It enables you to deduct the value of your car up to $500. No goods or services have been provided in return."  (and it gives the charity's Tax ID #)

    It was the following paragraph that concerned me:

    "Please note: Charitable organizations are required by law to file with the IRS on the sale of any donated item with a value of more than $500."

    What does that mean?  Does this mean that the charity to which we donated the vehicle is somehow playing games with the IRS?  I believe the value of the vehicle is > $500 (not that I really care - we wanted to donate it to the charity involved anyway).  Are they saying that they are only valuing the vehicle at $500 in order to get around having to report it to the IRS?

    That would concern me.

  • 11-06-2009 1:52 AM In reply to

    Re: Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    LegalSecy:
    What does that mean? Does this mean that the charity to which we donated the vehicle is somehow playing games with the IRS? I believe the value of the vehicle is > $500 (not that I really care - we wanted to donate it to the charity involved anyway). Are they saying that they are only valuing the vehicle at $500 in order to get around having to report it to the IRS? That would concern me.

    I can't say for sure what it means without knowing more about the particular charity and the car that was donated. I did a quick blue book search for my zip code on a 1995 Chevy Lumina passenger minivan, 150,000 miles on it, with standard equipment and in good condition and came up with a value of about $675 in a private party sale (which is the kind of sale that is the best indicator of fair market value, generally, as that is the kind of sale you'd have done to sell it). The values in your area may be different, and of course your vehicle may have been better or worse than what I did the search for, so the value of you donation may be different. But I think it may be fair to say it may not have been worth a whole lot more than $500.

    I doubt the charity is trying to cheat the IRS here. First, understand a few rules. You are generally limited in your deductions to charity of a vehicle to the lower of (1) the fair market value at the time of donation or (2) what the charity gets for the car when it sells it. When the charity sells the vehicle, it must shortly thereafter notify you of what the vehicle sold for. In addition, for donations of vechicles over $500, the charity must provide you with an acknowledgement of the donation on Form 1098-C (or similar statement) and file the Form 1098-C with the IRS. If the value of the vehicle is less than $500 or if you did not provide the charity with your SSN, the charity will provide you with an acknowledgement that the value was no more than $500 and will not file a Form 1098-C with the IRS. That bolded part is important. If the charity does not have your SSN, then if the car had a fair market value of more than $500 and sold for more than $500, you are nevertheless limited to a deduction of $500. So, did you provide the charity with your SSN? If not, then that would appear to answer your question about the first statement by the charity in your post--the value limitation of $500.

    Note that the charity has no incentive to undervalue the cars that are donated. They are tax exempt, so the charity pays no income tax on the money it gets from selling the cars. So, it's not like a private business that might want to avoid IRS reporting to hide taxable income. Rather, the incentive is the opposite—charities know that tax deductions are a major incentive for these gifts, and donors therefore will tend to go to charities that will give them higher values on their acknowledgements, all other things being equal. (A charity that delibrately overstates values will be subject to sanctions.) Thus, if Charity A provides donors with acknowledgements reflecting the true fair market value of over $500 and Charity B understates them at less than $500 to avoid reporting, which one will do better in the competition for donations? Charity A, of course. While the reporting is a bit of a paperwork hassle, it's worth it to charities to keep the donations flowing.

    As for the second paragraph that concerned you, statements like that are common in charity acknowledgements for all gifts they get, no matter the value of the gift.  The purpose is not to indicate that it is trying to avoid reporting. Rather, it is warning donors that that information may be reported to the IRS and thus the donor had better take care not to overstate the value of their deductions on their returns.

    For more information, see IRS Publication 526 and the Form 1098-C instructions.

  • 11-06-2009 7:20 AM In reply to

    Re: Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    Taxagent:
    So, did you provide the charity with your SSN?

     

    Ahh...  no.  That explains it.  Thanks.

  • 11-06-2009 8:13 AM In reply to

    Re: Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    If you believe the true FMV is much more than $500 I suspect there is nothing that stops you from providing charity with the correct SSN and requesting a 1098 with a value consistent  with  FMV .......of $ XXX based on following  published guide ZZ   and factors  xx,nn,mm

     

    See Pub 561 as to valuation of donated cars.

    But if you got confirmation of $500 and FMV is say $600 at best --it may not be worth the paperwork?

     

  • 11-06-2009 10:29 AM In reply to

    Re: Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    Drew:
    But if you got confirmation of $500 and FMV is say $600 at best --it may not be worth the paperwork?

    I agree.

    There's nothing stopping you from deducting more than $500 if the car was worth more than $500.

    However, you can generally deduct the $500 with virtually no documentation (that receipt is all you need), but if you deduct more, you run into the possibility that you will be required to provide documentation as to the value of the car. Which could be a real hassle for just an extra hundred or two.

     

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  • 11-07-2009 1:48 AM In reply to

    Re: Question about Charitable Donation & Tax Deduction

    adjuster jack:
    There's nothing stopping you from deducting more than $500 if the car was worth more than $500.

    The poster can't do that without the proper acknowledgment from the charity. That would mean going back to the charity, providing the SSN, and doing all the necessary documents.

    I agree that it may not be worth doing here. The actual tax savings depends on your marginal tax rate. If your marginal tax rate is 28%, for example, then each $100 of deductions saves you just $28 in tax.

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