Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

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Latest post 04-29-2009 1:23 PM by Drew. 8 replies.
  • 02-13-2009 10:15 PM

    Angry [:@] Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    My 19 year old son got involved with a girl who is 15. She was telling people she was 17. The parents told him to stay away from her and he severed all contact. The next day they called the police because "they wanted to scare her." The parents are pressing charges even though the relationship was consentual. She doesn't want to tell her parents she lied about her age because SHE doesn't want to get in trouble. Now my son is looking at 15 years. I was reading tonight that ignorance of her age or misrepresentation of her age does not raise a defense in these cases. What? Anyone can lie and someone else has to pay the price?! huh? He is mentally incompetant and on SSI and we have no way to pay for a lawyer. Any advice from anyone out there? I'm desperate. He practically wants to end his life over this situation.
  • 02-13-2009 11:32 PM In reply to

    re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    "Anyone can lie and someone else has to pay the price?! huh?"

    Sure. Happens all the time. Ask any liquor store clerk who has had to pay a stiff fine and/or get fired because he sold alcohol to a minor.

    "But she said he was 21."

    Minors lie about their age all the time. They still need to be protected.
  • 02-14-2009 8:03 AM In reply to

    Feedback [*=*] re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    "Anyone can lie and someone else has to pay the price?!"

    Under the law it is presumed that young teenagers do not have the capacity to consent nor understand the consequences of their actions. Teenagers are notorious for their desire for instant gratification (not just physical) and will say/do anything to get what they want. The onus is ALWAYS on the person of legal age to find out the REAL age of the person they are considering dating.

    Since your son is of legal age if HE cannot afford an attorney he can request a public defender. He shouldn't be discussing this with anyone other than his lawyer.
  • 02-14-2009 9:20 AM In reply to

    re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    The DA is the one deciding to press charges, the parents are only the reporting party. Florida is one of the harshest states in the country when it comes to protecting minors; it's sort of the political "pet project" these days, and for very good reason.

    The relationship, in the eyes of the law, was NOT consentual, because a 15 year old cannot, by definition, GIVE consent. Even if she begged and pleaded, the burden was on the legally recognized ADULT to know the true age of the person he was sleeping with.

    She'll be getting in plenty of trouble with her parents. He'll be getting in trouble with the courts.

    Actually, in Florida, he'd be looking at 15 years PLUS sex offender registration once released.

    Mental incompetency may or may not play a factor in the case, but typically it won't come into play until sentencing (it COULD be a mitigating factor that could either lessen the sentence, or provide for "alternative" sentencing like being put into confinement in a mental health facility, or some combination thereof) - but in and of itself if he's high functioning enough to be able to "date", he's competent enough to be charged. The DA obviously feels he had the capacity to know better than to get involved with a minor (even if he didn't check any further than her telling him her age), otherwise they wouldn't bother pursuing the criminal case. If he substantially lacks the ability to tell right from wrong, that is a point his attorney can argue on his behalf after reviewing his medical history and mental health evaluations.

    Since he's an adult on SSI, he should be able to get a public defender appointed. He can also check around town with several criminal defense attorneys, most will give at least an initial consultation for free.
  • 04-26-2009 10:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    I completely understand your situation.  Our son has been in a Florida county jail since mid-August on charges of Lewd & Lascivious Battery.  His trial starts on May 4th.  The only hope that I can give you is Florida Statute 943.04354: Removal of the requirement to register as a sexual offender or sexual predator in special circumstances.  Commonly known as the Romeo & Juliett Law, this applies to cases when the offender is not more than 4 years older than the victim.  The victim must be 14 years of age or older at the time of the violation.  My son was 18 and the victim was 14.

    I'm not a lawyer, but I am a very concerned mom and citizen.  Does anyone else have any insight to this statute?  My son has a court appointed public defender that barely has enough time to talk to him, much less his family. 

  • 04-27-2009 1:45 PM In reply to

    NO CONSENSUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH CHILDREN . . .

    That's the whole idea behind the age of consent.  If you are under that age, you CANNOT consent.

    He needs an attorney and he needs to rely on the attorney for advice.  In most states the burden is entirely on the adult not to have this kind of relationship.  Part of being incompetent (a child) is telling lies.

  • 04-27-2009 1:49 PM In reply to

    I'm a PD . . .

    and we usually don't want to talk to family because:

    - The client is misrepresenting things to the family.

    - We have to explain things multiple times if we talk to Mom, Dad and grandma, baby-mama, etc.

    - Family usually doesn't think their relative could do this stuff.

    A public defender's duties run to his client, not the family.  We normally have no duty at all to talk to the family.  If your son's PD is talking to you at all, consider yourself lucky.

    Find an annotated copy of the FL Code.  Following that statute there will be case annotations that help explain the statute.

  • 04-29-2009 1:14 PM In reply to

    Re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    In short he positively needs a decent criminal defense  lawyer.

    Ignorace of her age is not a defense.

    Depending on the extent of his mental incapacity he may be hard to prosecute on grounds he is unable to assist in his own defense--the worse he is the better his odds.

    But you don't want him locked away in some mental institution until his disability is cured! Could happen if he's not decently represented.

     

    Some public defenders are pretty decent or even darn good --and if he is living on just SSI and of prevaling age for emancipation its quite possible that HE qualifies for a public defender--I'd be looking into that today!

     

  • 04-29-2009 1:23 PM In reply to

    Re: Lewd and lascivious battery-FL

    It is also possible that if sons mental capacity is so low that he lacked capacity to consent that in a way she raped him. Now that one won't ring right--its more common if somebody assaults somebody who is so drunk as to be unable to consent or someby so old and feeble minded as to be unable to consent (EG rape of some elderly in nursing homes)  but is a point to consider

     

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